Life gone to crap

arminman wrote:She is deeply wounded. A bleeding soul.

Unfortunately, we can't but hate those people.

Or maybe she is evil. Once more, let's Time speak for us.

cenaris wrote: Name one woman (non famous/celebrity) who did internet porn who successfully went into another profession without being called out and fired.

Oh, yes, your boss can say "I was surfing on Porn sites instead of working, and I discovered your video: you are fired".
A bit embarassing to tell to an employer, right? XD

cenaris wrote:I don't know where people are getting the idea she did porn to be popular. doing webcam porn is the one thing beside killing someone or mocking/beating up disabled people that will kill your reputation. Name one woman (non famous/celebrity) who did internet porn who successfully went into another profession without being called out and fired.
If anything she did it because she's a greedy bitch who probably had an expensive lifestyle.

'oh you are so pretty' 'oh you will be so famous' - if you are desperate for attention and appreciation those empty words porn producers use none stop are very powerful. So there is a young girl being 'famous' and being told that she is pretty and earning a nice amount of money - why should she care what will happen to her later? FAMOUS! People love her! (well, the wankers do - for a little while until the next fresh body pops up. Forcing you to do more depraved stuff or push you into obscurity).

If you had the money you would have an expensive lifestyle too.

arminman wrote:
a monster? because she wanted to be popular as a child? because she bullied someone to distract the bullies from her? because she went into porn to become popular?

Remember the dream sequence? Her whole goal in that one was 'to look awesome and be popular'.

She is not a monster. She is deeply wounded. A bleeding soul.

Pfft, cry me a river.
You know what "bleeding souls" like her do with naive white knights like you? They suck them dry and leave them to rott when they serve no purpose anymore.
She is a monster and now that she is on the ground she needs a few more kicks so that she can´t get up again and spread her evil anymore.

kicking somebody on the ground 'so that she can't get up again'? Sounds evil.

EmfinnFZ wrote:

DarkAngel wrote: Here's my prediction for the next strip:

Alternately (And my prediction) :

Hilary: "Wad i'm gonna do? I'm poor "
Pip: "You can always uh, count upon the kindness of strangers?"
Hilary:"......... :reader-visible-evil-smirk: "

And thus the world saw the utter destruction of the pathetic fool Pip, after falling into her trap and being used to screw over Kat and Art in some nasty, yet highly effective manner

Seriously, why does evil have to be weak? Why would she want, or even need, some form of redemption? Competant, capable evil in the real world generally succeeeds and results in a life of comfort (if not absolute luxury) for the perpetrator. She has a lifetime of bitchiness and evil, regardless of the cuteness or childishness of her start on that path, and until very recently it has served her extremely well.

So, nah. This is just a necessary pose to get Pip into his proper place as a witless minion, a pawn to be used in her ressurection.

I could very well see your prediction happening. But Hilary wouldn't do such a thing out of the delight of making people suffer. Anyone who's read all the comics and seen all her behavior should be able to put together that she's exactly what you see in this panel: a crying little girl who doesn't understand why bad things happen to her.

From all I've seen, I'm convinced that Hilary is the sort of person who's convinced herself that she was given a bad hand. She thinks she's average and desperately wants to be special. Why? Any reason really. Television, pushy parents, negligent parents, ...

She's convinced herself she's sub-standard and the only way to get noticed is to step on people like the sports of a ladder. And those she picks on are those whom have what she wants, or are a blockade to what she wants. Attacking people connected to her enemies is a tactic to weaken the actual target.

She valued uniqueness and being the center of attention, even as a child. Walking on the road with her toy lunch box, she fantasizes about being the center of attention and being adored. She very clearly wants this and views it as something delightful. To the point where she'll become enraged at the idea of someone else taking what she wants to be hers.

So the big question is: why does Hilary want attention so badly? Why does she fantasize about it, as if it's something you don't just get.

Pretty much anyone with a good bunch of friends can take their attention and companionship for granted. Hilary does not. She viewed it as something greater than life and probably still does.



So why did her life go to shit? Karma, obviously. In the far east, there's a better description for it. They say that people are mirrors of your own self. The way people behave towards you is how they interpret your behavior towards them. They treat you like shit because your behavior makes it obvious that's what you think about them. They notice that and mirror this belief back towards you.

I do believe this breakdown is genuine and I also believe that if given the chance to step on someone, she'll use that to get over it. But only because that's the only thing she knows. Right now she needs some people who're willing to help her out of her slump. And she won't want to be pulled out, because she doesn't trust anyone. Because she thinks she's substandard, that life is about stepping on others and they're going to try and step on her.


I don't hate Hilary. I just wish she'd see that she's getting hurt because she's hurting other people. And that she'd realize that kindness is the norm, not the exception.

arminman wrote:kicking somebody on the ground 'so that she can't get up again'? Sounds evil.

As I said before, I have encounterd people like her before, mostly at one of the many jobs I had. Thats probably the reason why I dislike her so much. Cruel, egoistical assholes like her exist in almost every company. Every office has a Hillary (male or female). People like her are the types that bully their way up the career ladder by kicking downwards and kissing arse upwards. They are often in the middle management, but not due to their hard work, they got there by sceming, bullying and using others to do the hard work while gathering the praise. The worst part of it is that most of them are incompetend frauds, that are in no way qualified enough for their position. Sooner or later they make a mistake and their whole building of lies and bullshit collapses on them, causing a meltdown like we see it here. I have actually seen this before, it was ugly but very satisfying. Not so good was that this mofo almost ruined the company so that people, including me, had to be laid off. People like that are a cancer to society, and whenever one of them goes down it is a reason to cherish.

In the end, Hilary Locke is a villian. A damn good villian.

Like many good villians, she can remind us of several RL "villians": The smug boss who schemed their way to the top & abuses their authority. The stuck up beauty who mocked you when you asked her out. The vicious bully who made tormenting you a personal hobby. And so on.

However, also like many good villians, there seems to be more to her than just "being a bitch". Her almost desperate drive to be the center of attention & the belief that she's deserving of such appears to be what leads to her imperious attitude.

Yes, the open weeping could very well be a "torture Kat" plot, she's certianly clever enough. However, she could also be in the middle of a nervious breakdown.

My honest oppinion of this antagonist: She's self-centered, egotistical & a psychopath (Seriously. Look it up & tell me the definition doesn't at least partially describe Hilary), yet deep down, she's a insecure little girl who just wants to be special.

Whether that last part invokes sympathy, pity or contempt is up to you.

Peace

Am I the only one who sees that Hillary is only sad because from her prespective, Kat has officially defetted her. The whole grudge between them started because has some intense inferiority complex. Since that complex has only become stronger over the years. Kat did not gloat or say a word. She only showed up. That was more than enough to destroy Hillary emotionally.

DarkAngel wrote:deep down, she's a insecure little girl who just wants to be special.

Good analysis indeed.

rpx wrote:Am I the only one who sees that Hillary is only sad because from her prespective, Kat has officially defetted her. The whole grudge between them started because has some intense inferiority complex. Since that complex has only become stronger over the years. Kat did not gloat or say a word. She only showed up. That was more than enough to destroy Hillary emotionally.

Hilary is stronger than that. That episode could only fire the hatred once more. If she is honest, she is crying because she sees her life as a continuous fail.

rpx wrote:

Hilary is stronger than that. That episode could only fire the hatred once more. If she is honest, she is crying because she sees her life as a continuous fail.

In that case, I expect to see Jack delve into her webcam porn days and explain how it contributed to her failures. It doesn't have to go explicit or anything though. Just something like
"Miss locke, we know you diddle yourself on the internet. This is a serious breach of our public image. You're fired,"

I never knew I could be so fascinated by a discussion over a comic strip.

A great book to read is The Sociopath Next Door: The Ruthless Versus the Rest of Us, by Martha Stout. It was a fantastic help to me, and Hilary does have some of the traits of a sociopath.

However, we have only seen Hilary in her relationship with Kat and Kat's friends. The question I need to know is, does Hilary treat everybody this way?

If yes, then her tears are a ploy to manipulate Pip because the #1 tool of a sociopath is not fear, but pity. If, no, there might ... maybe ... possibly be some redemption for the bunny girl yet.

I predict very good storytelling ahead.

I'm not saying I'm not a Hilary hater, I'm saying I'm not a permanent Hilary hater. In fact, I'm not a permanent anything hater. I'm always prepared to accept that someone could in fact change for the better. I can say that I'd be a pretty big hypocrite if I didn't.

Sure, she probably won't end up changing for the better, but I believe that such a change is much less likely to happen if her previous victims take this opportunity to spit as much venom on her as possible. Nonetheless I do agree that Kat and everyone else needs to keep their guard up for the time being.

Ganthan wrote:I'm not saying I'm not a Hilary hater, I'm saying I'm not a permanent Hilary hater. In fact, I'm not a permanent anything hater. I'm always prepared to accept that someone could in fact change for the better. I can say that I'd be a pretty big hypocrite if I didn't.

Sure, she probably won't end up changing for the better, but I believe that such a change is much less likely to happen if her previous victims take this opportunity to spit as much venom on her as possible. Nonetheless I do agree that Kat and everyone else needs to keep their guard up for the time being.

I don't see Kat as a person who takes this kind of opportunities.

kat is so going to play it cool in front of Hilary's face just so it rubs the salt in the wounds even more

indrejue wrote:kat is so going to play it cool in front of Hilary's face just so it rubs the salt in the wounds even more

Although Kat has every right to do so. She has shown than she can be a bigger person. Not saying that she will. But she can.

um that was sort of my point she is going to behave like the bigger person and by going about it in a very indirect method it will just grind down hilary even more. hilary would feed off of kat trying to kick her while she is down but if kat plays it cool as i said hilary would have nothing to feed off of and be ground to dust in her own patheticness.

I say enough! Give her the benefit of a doubt, but make her change to someone better be anything than overnight.

indrejue wrote:um that was sort of my point she is going to behave like the bigger person and by going about it in a very indirect method it will just grind down hilary even more. hilary would feed off of kat trying to kick her while she is down but if kat plays it cool as i said hilary would have nothing to feed off of and be ground to dust in her own patheticness.

I agree with this.

cenaris wrote:I don't know where people are getting the idea she did porn to be popular. doing webcam porn is the one thing beside killing someone or mocking/beating up disabled people that will kill your reputation. Name one woman (non famous/celebrity) who did internet porn who successfully went into another profession without being called out and fired.
If anything she did it because she's a greedy bitch who probably had an expensive lifestyle.

Asia Carrera. She's a mom now and working to provide for both of her kids.

Nighthawke wrote:

cenaris wrote:I don't know where people are getting the idea she did porn to be popular. doing webcam porn is the one thing beside killing someone or mocking/beating up disabled people that will kill your reputation. Name one woman (non famous/celebrity) who did internet porn who successfully went into another profession without being called out and fired.
If anything she did it because she's a greedy bitch who probably had an expensive lifestyle.

Asia Carrera. She's a mom now and working to provide for both of her kids.

Ilona Staller:

Staller continued to make hardcore pornographic films while a member of parliament.[2] She is famous for delivering political speeches with one breast exposed.

Made a profile just to post this.