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26 Re: Katching. on Sun Nov 18, 2012 3:54 pm

zombiepancakes wrote:
Raptor wrote:If they do carbon dating on them, it would appear they're newly made.
Im pretty sure carbon dating only works on organic matter (things that were once living). I dont think you couldn't carbon date a sword
Actually, if the hilt is wrapped in leather, or other organic matter, you can still use this datation, as Emmin said up there. Btw, I don't think you can datate carbon in the steel. Only if you used recently-made carbon and not, say, carbon from a mine, to make the alloy.

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27 Re: Katching. on Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:39 pm

Could they take a carbon date on the leather hilt or wagon? It should come up resently but they should be able to find that something is fishy with the era it was made from.

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28 Re: Katching. on Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:12 pm

waffllecat wrote:Could they take a carbon date on the leather hilt or wagon? It should come up resently but they should be able to find that something is fishy with the era it was made from.
Carbon date is relative which means there will be just an age of a few years max.
The interresting thing will be things like seeds or the pollution in the leather.
But still if the carbon methode gives you just a few years all will see it as a perfect replica but still areplica

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29 Re: Katching. on Mon Nov 19, 2012 5:48 am

Shrg wrote:
waffllecat wrote:Could they take a carbon date on the leather hilt or wagon? It should come up resently but they should be able to find that something is fishy with the era it was made from.
Carbon date is relative which means there will be just an age of a few years max.
The interresting thing will be things like seeds or the pollution in the leather.
But still if the carbon methode gives you just a few years all will see it as a perfect replica but still areplica

Obviously, the cart is still "new".

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30 Re: Katching. on Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:28 am

Ah btw, did eBuy re-opened Pip's account?

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31 Re: Katching. on Mon Nov 19, 2012 2:21 pm

Anyway, selling weapons would close it again

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32 Re: Katching. on Mon Nov 19, 2012 6:19 pm

Given a large enough piece of wood, it is possible to date the wood using tree rings.

A wide plank that goes through the heart of the tree, or a timber might be enough.

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33 Re: Katching. on Mon Nov 19, 2012 7:01 pm

rwstyles wrote:Given a large enough piece of wood, it is possible to date the wood using tree rings.

A wide plank that goes through the heart of the tree, or a timber might be enough.

Tree rings are used to tell how old the tree was when cut down.

I think that the age and condition would mean that nobody will believe that these are authentic. However it's still impressive how fast Pip figured out exactly what happened... and how did he identify this stuff so fast?

I believe some items can be dated based on how long ago the material was heated or forged and I'd be interested to learn how this might be done with the swords. Of course you could date any one thing from that cart you could guess at the age of the rest.

Finally, where was he lying anyway?

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34 Re: Katching. on Mon Nov 19, 2012 7:20 pm

Conchobhar wrote:
rwstyles wrote:Given a large enough piece of wood, it is possible to date the wood using tree rings.

A wide plank that goes through the heart of the tree, or a timber might be enough.

Tree rings are used to tell how old the tree was when cut down.

I think that the age and condition would mean that nobody will believe that these are authentic. However it's still impressive how fast Pip figured out exactly what happened... and how did he identify this stuff so fast?

I believe some items can be dated based on how long ago the material was heated or forged and I'd be interested to learn how this might be done with the swords. Of course you could date any one thing from that cart you could guess at the age of the rest.

Finally, where was he lying anyway?



I never said that anyone would believe him.

I don't know if iton can be dated like that. Coins can be dated by the thickness of the oxide coating on them. On Pawn stars someone brought a clock in that someone had made with 12 silver dollars. Turns out that he cleaned them before putting them in the clock, and the pawn shop guy (Rick) said that the only thing he could do with them was to melt them.

No one is going to believe they are real. Period.

Still, they have value.

And yes, I wonder if this just changed history. In fiction, it isn't unknown for people close to the time machine to remember the original history, while everybody else does not.

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35 Re: Katching. on Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:30 pm

HSishi wrote:Ah btw, did eBuy re-opened Pip's account?

I figure they unlocked his account ages ago but he's been too busy to notice. Honestly thought he'd have enough cash to make with the toys that go through the store. It's not illegal to buy them yourself to sell for higher, is it?

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36 Re: Katching. on Tue Nov 20, 2012 7:37 am

Conchobhar wrote:
rwstyles wrote:Given a large enough piece of wood, it is possible to date the wood using tree rings.

A wide plank that goes through the heart of the tree, or a timber might be enough.

Tree rings are used to tell how old the tree was when cut down.
Dendrochronology has advanced a bit beyond that stage in the last few decades. It is entirely possible to locate a specific plank in time, to the calendar year it was cut, by the rings it contains; going back well over 5000 years thanks to a database of ring widths which are unique per species and year but not per individual tree since ring width is essentially purely environmental. Indeed, dendrochronological data is so accurate it is used to calibrate radiocarbon dating rather than the other way around.

NB radiocarbon dating is hardly the only available atomic ratio method either; just the one you most often hear about in relation to archaeology since it is relatively accurate over a huge chunk of human history and because we leave a lot of conveniently organic non-wood rubbish behind.

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37 Re: Katching. on Tue Nov 20, 2012 10:34 am

Conchobhar wrote:

Finally, where was he lying anyway?

On the floor. Remember?

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38 Re: Katching. on Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:00 pm

the only way they are going to believe it was authentic is by spectral analysis of the metal of one of the swords which requires melting it down so he is probably going to sell it in bulk to a museum or something not something he would do on ebuy. (there equivalent to e-bay so jj does not get sued.) but with pip were there is a will there is a way and he definitely has the will when it comes to easy money. Now I wonder what will happen when he goes out side. did this cause the Germanic tribes to take over Rome sooner and thus leaving the English language closer to its Germanic roots and less Latinic. Will the world be ruled by a Anglo-Saxon nation that controls half of Europe. will Hitler never have been born.

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39 Re: Katching. on Tue Nov 20, 2012 11:16 pm

Unless these carts are popping up all around the house there can't be more than a few hundred swords and spears in there. It would be a stretch to imagine that shifting the outcome of a society that much. During most of their history, they won most battlse by a good margin.

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40 Re: Katching. on Tue Nov 20, 2012 11:37 pm

rwstyles wrote:Unless these carts are popping up all around the house there can't be more than a few hundred swords and spears in there. It would be a stretch to imagine that shifting the outcome of a society that much. During most of their history, they won most battlse by a good margin.

One step more taken to pick up a different sword while equipping, = 2 inches to the left in bed that night, = 1 inch further forward in the battle next morning = arrow to the testicle instead of the knee (No more adventuring for you sonny boy) = girl instead of a boy birthed by the pretty battlefield nurse 9 months later = 1 less member from Britain in the Senate 27 years later = Singular Roman empire surviving 2 centuries longer = Proper handling of "the Palestine situation" = No silly little Judaic hippie cults springing up in empires cities = Crusades between Mithraic worshippers and Hindu fanatics...

Yeah, one sword easily makes a lot of difference.

(The only remotely long stretch there is the arrow targeting, which can easily be replaced with "ejaculation 2 strokes earlier in the post battle revelry" with equal results)

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41 Re: Katching. on Tue Nov 20, 2012 11:43 pm

Well I often check out a site for replica swords...and given how authentic they are...Pip could sell each sword for a few thousand each.
Armor could get him even more.

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42 Re: Katching. on Thu Nov 22, 2012 11:25 pm

At most, due to dating, the best he could hope for is pawning them off as museum quality replicas and little more. So not katching unless there was also gold bullion in that cart under the tarp.

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43 Re: Katching. on Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:51 am

EmfinnFZ wrote:
rwstyles wrote:Unless these carts are popping up all around the house there can't be more than a few hundred swords and spears in there. It would be a stretch to imagine that shifting the outcome of a society that much. During most of their history, they won most battlse by a good margin.

One step more taken to pick up a different sword while equipping, = 2 inches to the left in bed that night, = 1 inch further forward in the battle next morning = arrow to the testicle instead of the knee (No more adventuring for you sonny boy) = girl instead of a boy birthed by the pretty battlefield nurse 9 months later = 1 less member from Britain in the Senate 27 years later = Singular Roman empire surviving 2 centuries longer = Proper handling of "the Palestine situation" = No silly little Judaic hippie cults springing up in empires cities = Crusades between Mithraic worshippers and Hindu fanatics...

Yeah, one sword easily makes a lot of difference.

(The only remotely long stretch there is the arrow targeting, which can easily be replaced with "ejaculation 2 strokes earlier in the post battle revelry" with equal results)

...I might just bookmark that post for posterity.

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44 Re: Katching. on Wed Dec 05, 2012 9:12 am

EmfinnFZ wrote:
rwstyles wrote:Unless these carts are popping up all around the house there can't be more than a few hundred swords and spears in there. It would be a stretch to imagine that shifting the outcome of a society that much. During most of their history, they won most battlse by a good margin.

One step more taken to pick up a different sword while equipping, = 2 inches to the left in bed that night, = 1 inch further forward in the battle next morning = arrow to the testicle instead of the knee (No more adventuring for you sonny boy) = girl instead of a boy birthed by the pretty battlefield nurse 9 months later = 1 less member from Britain in the Senate 27 years later = Singular Roman empire surviving 2 centuries longer = Proper handling of "the Palestine situation" = No silly little Judaic hippie cults springing up in empires cities = Crusades between Mithraic worshippers and Hindu fanatics...

Yeah, one sword easily makes a lot of difference.

(The only remotely long stretch there is the arrow targeting, which can easily be replaced with "ejaculation 2 strokes earlier in the post battle revelry" with equal results)

Neutral *facepalm*

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